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Post by Pure on Apr 7, 2005 14:39:37 GMT -5
I use Mozilla Firefox
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Post by bfr on Apr 7, 2005 15:29:49 GMT -5
I mostly use Internet Explorer, put I should be getting Mozilla Firefox.
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Post by bcherry on Apr 7, 2005 16:19:37 GMT -5
I think you should have included Opera, Safari, and Avant as main choices, but that's just me. Of course, were I making the poll, it would have looked like this:
Internet Explorer Netscape Mozilla/Firefox Opera Avant Safari Konqueror Lynx Other
I've used Lynx a couple times, it's really wierd to do web broswing from a unix console.
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Post by Pure on Apr 7, 2005 16:40:33 GMT -5
I know, but not that many people use those other browsers. I am just including the MAJOR MAJOR browsers. I am mainly comparing Firefox and IE and Netscape. I may do a full browser poll after this
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Post by AnyKey on Apr 7, 2005 16:59:45 GMT -5
I find this really annoying: When you look at charts of html tags and what browsers they work with, it's either Netscape or IE. Netscape died a long time ago, so that's a lost cause. Plus, I can't find out what tags FireFox is compliant with. d**n YOU MICROSOFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU STARTED THIS f**kING BROWSER WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Web devealpoment is overated nowadays. BTW, those smilies don't show the full extent of how enraged this makes me.
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Post by bcherry on Apr 7, 2005 17:08:30 GMT -5
Ok, first off I would consider both Opera and Safari to be major browsers.
And anykey:
AOL has picked up Netscape, and it is no longer dead. Additionally, Firefox is built on Netscape (and ironically the new AOL Netscape is built on Firefox), and so it's compatibilites fall under the heading "Netscape".
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Post by AnyKey on Apr 7, 2005 17:14:53 GMT -5
Well, I'd like to start off this reply by saying: "AOL SUCKS". Now with that said, I will tell you that less than %5 of internet traffic is AOL users. I have never gotten a single hit from a Ntescape browser, and probably won't for a long time. Microsoft killed them, and I think they owe poor netscape a FUCKING APOLOGY!! Look at the senario this way: Your company has created the most successfull browser EVER. You have no competition. Then, one day microsoft decides to package a sucky browser into their sucky os. People, being dumb, accept this browser, and your copany pretty much goes down the drain. Fun, huh?
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Post by bfr on Apr 7, 2005 17:17:10 GMT -5
This is kind of off-topic, but should I move this thread to the debate section?
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Post by AnyKey on Apr 7, 2005 17:18:55 GMT -5
Please do. I have even more rants where that came from! Did I mention IE's lack of support for CSS??!?!?!?!?!?!
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Post by AnyKey on Apr 7, 2005 17:25:10 GMT -5
They decided to not include complete CSS support!!!!!!!! If you don't already know, CSS is one of the few internet technologies that allows for a devolper to allow his/her page to adapt to the rapidly changing internet! I guess they're doing what they do best: screwing developers and getting paid for it. I AM SO PISSED OFF RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by bfr on Apr 7, 2005 17:32:45 GMT -5
That is why I'm getting Firefox ;D, hopefully soon. The built-in pop-up blockers are good along with the other features.
But if you for some strange reason can't get Firefox, then Internet Explorer wouldn't be a really bad choice.
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Post by Pure on Apr 7, 2005 18:09:10 GMT -5
That's funny about the Netscape-Firefox thing. But I made a Browser detector using JavaScript and ran it on Firefox and the AppName and version are the same as Netscape! The only difference is the user agent string! Also, AOL-Netscape is actually a pretty sweet browser! I have Firefox and Netscape on my computer (dont ask).
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Post by AnyKey on Apr 7, 2005 18:51:31 GMT -5
SEE WHAT I MEAN? You can't even reliably tell the difference between browsers, and even if you do, you still have to have dynamic content. This whole browser war will end on judgement day, when FireFox users will ascend to heaven, while IE users will be doomed to click adds FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, and nobody has mentioned the numerous security flaws in IE. Remember: Big brother is watching you!
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Post by bfr on Apr 7, 2005 20:40:59 GMT -5
It is easy to get virused on your computer with IE. (that happenned before. Right now the internet isn't even working correct and only lets me go online 5% of the time! Grrr...I'll probably be happy when I get Firefox)
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DJ Omnimaga
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Wacky Fun BASIC RPG Generator
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Post by DJ Omnimaga on Apr 7, 2005 20:53:29 GMT -5
I primary use Avant Browser, which is a browser built with the IE engine. The reason why I dont use Firefox much is because most sites I visit wont show up correctly in Firefox, and I have the latest version. Case in point is Epic Programming Studio and Omnimaga
I use chatzilla to chat though, I like it
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Post by AnyKey on Apr 7, 2005 21:30:12 GMT -5
Join the AnyBrowser campain!!!! This site is best viewed with: [shadow=red,left,300]A BROWSER[/shadow]
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Post by bcherry on Apr 7, 2005 21:55:07 GMT -5
I've never noticed anything wrong with EPS and Omnimaga. Oh well.
AnyKey:
You've got it wrong. Netscape practically invented real browsing, but Microsoft didn't win the browser war just because they packaged IE with Windows. They won the browser war because IE was better. They had better resources, and quickly created a much better browser than Netscape, which was still mostly unchanged from its first versions, containing antiquated code and features. IE was fresh and new, had much better support, functionality, and security. It's no surprise that it eventually killed Netscape. But since then, IE has changed very little, while the Internet and internet standards have changed dramatically. Now IE is no longer the great browser it once was, it has failed to innovate, or to keep up with the trends and standards, because there was a lack of competition and Microsoft had no reason to innovate.
Then the Mozilla project was founded, and the Netscape source was made public. From the remains of an old, beaten browser, Mozilla created a decent product. The original Mozilla browser contained some Innovations, and was overall fairly decent, but really not too much better than IE, which at the time was not so behind the times as it is today.
But Mozilla's real advances came in the creation of the Firebird project. Mozilla Firebird, advertised as the "next generation browser", was released in Beta form to the public 2 or 3 years ago. It contained a new and refined core, a real advance over the old Netscape and even the new IE 6. It had basic support for newer internet features, and was made to be easily adaptable and upgradeable. Over the next 2 years, the project progressed, and new developers were brought in. About a year and a half ago, the name was changed to Firefox, around the time version 0.7 or 0.8 came out. At this point, it actually began to adopt a number of dedicated fans, and users who took it as their primary browser. As the project gained steam over the next year, it's security was tightened and its support for the "new" internet was enhanced. Firefox really became the "next generation browser" it was created to be. Yet the whole while IE 6 sat in the same unaltered state. It had no innovations, no new features, as MS was convinced Firefox was no threat. By the time Firefox reached 1.0 last fall, a new browser war was ready to start. IE had the first competition since Netscape. Firefox was newer, and better. For the first time in years IE's market share dropped below 95%.
And as Firefox continues to be improved, updated, and enhanced, IE still remains unchanged. Instead, MS is focusing almost solely on Longhorn, their next OS release, slated for release in the 2nd or 3rd quarter of 2006. As MS continues to drop promised features from the initial Longhorn client release, such as the much-hyped next-gen filesystem, WinFS, it is clear that they are focusing on the new browser war. Longhorn is going to be an attempt to eradicate the internet browser as we know it. The internet browser is going to be built into the operating system architecure as closely as Windows Explorer. MS hopes to create a bridge between local and network resources that has never been seen before.
As a diehard Firefox user, I still have high hopes for Longhorn. Some of the stuff I've seen in the screenshots and demos has been pretty amazing looking, and I really think MS still has it in them to innovate, and to create a kick-a** OS. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if they failed and ultimately lost the OS war that is brewing to Linux. I cannot see the world of computers and software being anything but mostly open-source 50 to 100 years from now, and MS has no place in that future. I expect Longhorn to be one of the last major Windows releases.
Ok, I got off-track.
The moral of the story is: Firefox rocks!
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Post by Pure on Apr 8, 2005 18:43:46 GMT -5
I don't really see longhorn as a very good OS. Yes, firefox is excellent and I hope Microsoft actually updates IE because of that.
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Post by Vladik on Apr 8, 2005 18:49:25 GMT -5
I primarily use IE but I am also a heavy user of FireFox; I';ve got it set so it blocks EVERY advertisement except for text ads (which can't be blocked).
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Post by Pure on Apr 8, 2005 20:36:55 GMT -5
Firefox is BETTER, though!
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