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Post by AnyKey on Jun 25, 2005 21:36:10 GMT -5
Okay, like usual, I have a strong opinion about this... I'm not very fond of any windows platform. Okay, call me a hypocrite, but I'll be switching to a nice stable mac as soon as I get some more cash. What bugs me about Windows is the fact that their way of doing things locks users into their products. Yes, most major companies do this, but that doesn't mean it should be allowed. I'm using win98 right now, and quite honestly I DESPISE it. After a long day of debugging it doesn't even shut itself down. I've heard that the new version of windows is much more stable, but I would rather use something like MacOS than something I don't trust. Lets face it; Microsoft has gotten too big for their own good. They're trying to compete with way too many other innocent businesses. Google, Macintosh, Mozilla, ect... Their goal is world domination, and I can't stand that. They think they can get rid of their competition by adding stuff into their questionable OS. Why do you think people use IE? Microsoft makes it, so it must be good. Some of Microsoft's business models are a little dated. They have failed to embrace the open source revolution, and that is one of the reasons they've failed to keep up. Usually businesses that fail to keep up are forgotten and left behind, but not them. They're a mega corporation that can't be stopped by something that small.
This is just my humble opinion, though. No offense to people who use ie or windows.
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Post by Pure on Jun 25, 2005 21:40:23 GMT -5
well, first of all, before we go any further... Windows 98 is OLD and is SUX...
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Post by AnyKey on Jun 25, 2005 21:43:27 GMT -5
Most businesses use Solaris or Linux or Unix. Windows isn't meant for use as a server. It's just not stable enough.
Oh, and all of you mac ha8as out there, THE INVENTED THE FUCKING GUI, SO SHOVE IT! Vladik, windows is powerless compared to the abilities of Linux and Unix. You can install it without eating huge ammounts of memory, and the GUI isn't part of the OS. If the GUI fails, it doesn't drag the whole OS down with it.
That also reminds me of the fact that windows has crappy ram management. In REAL operating systems a program is given a piece of ram to use. If that program starts to try to eat into other applications, it gets terminated. Windows, on the other hand, fails to catch it and you get a BSOD.
Vladik: know what you're up against before you start attacking operating systems you know nothing about. That would be defined as "Ignorance", and you are not an ignorant person.
I could go on all day about this...
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Post by AnyKey on Jun 25, 2005 21:49:52 GMT -5
oh, and computers exist to run software, windows exists to crash it. You call yourself a "Power User", yet you don't know about VI or EMACS. THAT is what power users use. Editors like that DON'T come with windows. BTW, Windows doesn't even have the common sense to include a Python distro.
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Post by Pure on Jun 25, 2005 21:50:36 GMT -5
;D
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Post by AnyKey on Jun 25, 2005 21:53:11 GMT -5
don't provoke me to continue... I will...
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Post by Pure on Jun 25, 2005 21:54:08 GMT -5
ok, fine...you can stop
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Post by AnyKey on Jun 25, 2005 21:55:07 GMT -5
but I'm having fun... All of this has been bottled up inside me for a long time.
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Post by AnyKey on Jun 25, 2005 22:04:54 GMT -5
Without Ben and me this channel would just contain posts with an average of three words each. This should become a debate. I'm very eager to participate and set the record straight about other operating systems.
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Post by Pure on Jun 26, 2005 6:30:21 GMT -5
actually, I can make long posts but I choose not to because you and ben have pretty much covered most of the stff I was going to say. You can continue if you REALLY want to.
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Post by Vladik on Jun 26, 2005 19:23:29 GMT -5
Okay, like usual, I have a strong opinion about this... I'm not very fond of any windows platform. Okay, call me a hypocrite, but I'll be switching to a nice stable mac as soon as I get some more cash. What bugs me about Windows is the fact that their way of doing things locks users into their products. Yes, most major companies do this, but that doesn't mean it should be allowed. I'm using win98 right now, and quite honestly I DESPISE it. After a long day of debugging it doesn't even shut itself down. I've heard that the new version of windows is much more stable, but I would rather use something like MacOS than something I don't trust. Lets face it; Microsoft has gotten too big for their own good. They're trying to compete with way too many other innocent businesses. Google, Macintosh, Mozilla, ect... Their goal is world domination, and I can't stand that. They think they can get rid of their competition by adding stuff into their questionable OS. Why do you think people use IE? Microsoft makes it, so it must be good. Some of Microsoft's business models are a little dated. They have failed to embrace the open source revolution, and that is one of the reasons they've failed to keep up. Usually businesses that fail to keep up are forgotten and left behind, but not them. They're a mega corporation that can't be stopped by something that small. This is just my humble opinion, though. No offense to people who use ie or windows. 98!?!?!?!?! I was using that over five years ago!!!!!!!
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Post by Vladik on Jun 26, 2005 19:26:31 GMT -5
Most businesses use Solaris or Linux or Unix. Windows isn't meant for use as a server. It's just not stable enough. Oh, and all of you mac ha8as out there, THE INVENTED THE f**kING GUI, SO SHOVE IT! Vladik, windows is powerless compared to the abilities of Linux and Unix. You can install it without eating huge ammounts of memory, and the GUI isn't part of the OS. If the GUI fails, it doesn't drag the whole OS down with it. That also reminds me of the fact that windows has crappy ram management. In REAL operating systems a program is given a piece of ram to use. If that program starts to try to eat into other applications, it gets terminated. Windows, on the other hand, fails to catch it and you get a BSOD. Vladik: know what you're up against before you start attacking operating systems you know nothing about. That would be defined as "Ignorance", and you are not an ignorant person. I could go on all day about this... I know, but for a home power user who wants a pletephora of powerful programs but doesn't want the computing power of Linux or Unix servers, Windows (an updated edition, such as XP, LOL!) is key. And Apple screws up this forum rather badly...
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Post by Vladik on Jun 26, 2005 19:28:10 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I'm going to lock this because of the vast differences in opinion.
This could get messy.
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Post by AnyKey on Jun 26, 2005 21:19:02 GMT -5
Okay, I will continue this by pointing out that macs run a version of Unix. As Vladik has pointed out, Unix is a very powerful operating system. I would like to know how he likes Unix, but still doesn't like MacOS.
He may not like the GUI, but that still isn't an excuse. It is Unix after all, and everything is accessible by using the handy console.
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Post by AnyKey on Jun 26, 2005 21:20:57 GMT -5
Oh, and I just remembered something else...
Windows doesn't have file permissions, which are an important part of any network. In other operating systems files have a permission string, which tells you who can view, edit, or do anything to a given file. Windows lacks this, and that is why it's so easy for some virus to come in and delete stuff.
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Post by Vladik on Jun 26, 2005 21:23:00 GMT -5
Yeah, that's why the servers suck...
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Post by Pure on Jun 26, 2005 21:23:32 GMT -5
well, continue to rant, because this is now in "Rants"
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Post by AnyKey on Jun 26, 2005 21:25:12 GMT -5
I'm hoping you mean "windows" servers...
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Post by bfr on Jun 27, 2005 13:34:49 GMT -5
Yeah! Also, in many businesses, mainframes run it! Macs also "Run it" too in some cases......
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Post by bfr on Jun 27, 2005 13:35:32 GMT -5
Oh, I forgot one thing - the main case where Macs don't run-it is in popularity.......
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